Ah, I see what you're trying to do there...unfortunately, Jesus, or Yeshua had almost nothing to do whatsoever with the invention of Christmas (and its current form of celebration) other than existing.
@lizardman Do I think there was actually a man living who was known by his peers as Jesus Christ? No, not a chance. Was there a man named Yeshua/Yehushua/Joseph from the small village of Nazareth, although born in Bethlehem to the son of a carpenter named Joseph...most-likely, although his original name (as well as much of his history) at this point is likely unknoweable, minus we can make some educated guesses as to what it may have been and to what it most definitely was not (Jesus).
My original point being, that if you read the scriptures, while there is a mention of his birth, there is little to indicate the actual day, and little or nothing reflective of the way we celebrate Christmas in modern society. Most "christmas" traditions are appropriated Pagan customs from a variety of cultures throughout history, that we have melded together, oftentimes so that those pagan societies can view Christmas as much theirs as the Christians who they were often subservient to. Either way, if you were to transplant any first-centry Jew, Roman, Gentile, Sadducee, Samaritan, etc. to modern day America for Christmas, they'd probably have no f#!#%ng idea what was going on, or who this "Jesus Christ" person is..
@kadence actually there are no real good accounts from historians around the time of "jesus" that actually mention anyone named jesus. A few historians from that era mention a Christ but Christ is a title meaning "anointed one"
Actually, a small bio of Jesus appears in The Complete Works of Flavious Josephus. Originally published around 94AD, the book is a compiliation of all his historical writings. It is considered one of the most accurate historical works of the Roman period. In the volume entitled the Antiquities of the Jews, there are two passeges that mention Jesus and that the sect called Christians are named after him and that he was crucified by Pilate. The passages do not mention any of the 12 disciples or Paul, but it does mention that Jesus had a brother named James who became a big time Christian leader. That would make sense because the Book of James is widely considered the oldest book in the New Testament.
Okay I have also done research with my mother and I do believe maybe there was once a Christ, but never born in December but more around easter time "Christmas" was something made to keep Pegans from "Yule" which is a Pegan holiday celebrated on the winter solstice. Yeah.
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Sheesh, and I suppose you want a crown of thorns on his head also :)
lolz so badXD
why nail Ceaser to a cross?
this site has become a joke i see... used to have some merrit
Ah, I see what you're trying to do there...unfortunately, Jesus, or Yeshua had almost nothing to do whatsoever with the invention of Christmas (and its current form of celebration) other than existing.
@dogmatichaos
what do you know?
yeshua .... yahweh
YHWH
ive read your posts and it seems like you are an intelligent individual or at least a one with a thought out perspective.
do you think there was a man named jesus?
@lizardman
Do I think there was actually a man living who was known by his peers as Jesus Christ? No, not a chance. Was there a man named Yeshua/Yehushua/Joseph from the small village of Nazareth, although born in Bethlehem to the son of a carpenter named Joseph...most-likely, although his original name (as well as much of his history) at this point is likely unknoweable, minus we can make some educated guesses as to what it may have been and to what it most definitely was not (Jesus).
My original point being, that if you read the scriptures, while there is a mention of his birth, there is little to indicate the actual day, and little or nothing reflective of the way we celebrate Christmas in modern society. Most "christmas" traditions are appropriated Pagan customs from a variety of cultures throughout history, that we have melded together, oftentimes so that those pagan societies can view Christmas as much theirs as the Christians who they were often subservient to. Either way, if you were to transplant any first-centry Jew, Roman, Gentile, Sadducee, Samaritan, etc. to modern day America for Christmas, they'd probably have no f#!#%ng idea what was going on, or who this "Jesus Christ" person is..
@lizardman historically(not only in the bible), with documents yes there was a man name jesus
All of you speak out of turn!!!! dont pretend that you know me. i suggest that you start to repent now, so i may forgive you.
@dogmatichaos
Thanks it seems we have done similar research.
Keep searching for truth.
@kadence actually there are no real good accounts from historians around the time of "jesus" that actually mention anyone named jesus. A few historians from that era mention a Christ but Christ is a title meaning "anointed one"
Actually, a small bio of Jesus appears in The Complete Works of Flavious Josephus. Originally published around 94AD, the book is a compiliation of all his historical writings. It is considered one of the most accurate historical works of the Roman period. In the volume entitled the Antiquities of the Jews, there are two passeges that mention Jesus and that the sect called Christians are named after him and that he was crucified by Pilate. The passages do not mention any of the 12 disciples or Paul, but it does mention that Jesus had a brother named James who became a big time Christian leader. That would make sense because the Book of James is widely considered the oldest book in the New Testament.
christmas is gay and i would like to f uck it in it's ass....
yay CHRIST!
Okay I have also done research with my mother and I do believe maybe there was once a Christ, but never born in December but more around easter time "Christmas" was something made to keep Pegans from "Yule" which is a Pegan holiday celebrated on the winter solstice. Yeah.
We all know where YOU are ending up.